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of luck. one was that mario cuomo did not run for the nomination and ross perot did run for the presidency. we'll see them trying to find their way, but, also, circumstances out there that nobody can anticipate at this point. >> right, i do think there was an interesting thing that happened to the democratic party when it was in a similar situation and bill clinton kind of dragged the party to the center a little bit. that was a big debate and we'll see if republicans have a similar debate and names that were just up on the screen were proxies for different sides in that argument about where does the republican party go from here? i think it's more about that. what is the shape of the republican party than it is about any of the individual names. probably too early for that, but not for what they stand for. >> jerry is a little more optimistic about that debate than i am. before you can have a real debate, you have to be willing to anger some people in your own party. what is missing, in both parties on the republican side, the only ingredient is someone willing to take aside that not ever
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